Archive for the ‘Jacob Neusner’ Category

Don Curzio Nitoglia: The "Judeo -Christian" Lie

November 22, 2011
Updated 11/30/11

In Italian:


http://www.doncurzionitoglia.com/menzogna_del_giudeocristianesimo.htm


Google translate renders it fairly coherent.

The essay is largely based upon a book authored by Pope Benedict XVI’s favorite rabbi and one of the world’s most respected authorities on Orthodox Judaism, Rabbi Jacob Neusner titled, Jews and Christians: the myth of a common tradition.

The lengthy introduction is in English at Google books here:

Jews and Christians: the myth of a common tradition

The thesis of the book is stated plainly at the outset in refreshingly direct and concise language:

The thesis of this book is that Judaism and Christianity do not form a common tradition, “the Judeo-Christian tradition.” They are not compatible … only now, for reasons of politics and sociology, have some representatives of Judaism maintained otherwise.

While I agree with the learned rabbi in his statement of fact that Judaism and Christianity are entirely incompatible, I must add proselytism to the ‘Noahide’ religion to his list of reasons that some representatives of Judaism would claim otherwise (even Maimoides suggested that Christianity and Islam could be viewed as directing ‘the Goyim’ towards the ‘Noahide laws’) and I observe this ‘Noahide’ proselytism beginning many centuries prior to the “only now” of 2001 (the date Neusner’s claim was published) that Neusner identified as the genesis of a claimed “Judeo-Christian tradition.” In Neusner’s book, Historical Synthesis, he references the 18th century Brit-ish Rabbi Jacob Emden and his thesis that the Gospels were written to teach the ‘Noahide Laws’ to ‘Gentiles.’ Perhaps it was for political or sociological reasons that Neusner overstated his case here. Perhaps it is for the same such reasons that he has more recently apparently softened the hard line evident in his 2001 thesis.

Bard’s Kashrut Progressivism

September 3, 2010

See:

Mondoweiss: I know a ton of old lefties, wheat-grass drinkers, and painters in falling-down houses that went to Bard, but

Also see:

Bard College Fires “Overcoming Zionism” Author, Joel Kovel

Benedict Met His Favorite Rabbi in Washington D.C.

May 8, 2008

The following is an email reportedly written by Rabbi Nuesner on the topic of his meeting with Benedict XVI on April 17th in Washington D.C. (the anniversary of the Last Supper according to the Hebrew Calendar) which was also reported in L’Osservatore Romano April 30th edition:

Thursday the train was an hour and a half late and we nearly missed the event. But we walked to the hotel where we were to meet for transportation and the US Council of Bishops staff was terrific. We were on the last bus to the ceremony. When we got there, at 4 pm, we were put in a large auditorium. The Muslims were sent off in one direction and the Jews in another for minhah and the Islamic equivalent.

The pope came about an hour and a half later and spoke to the 150 religious leaders who were there and exchanged gifts with representatives of Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Hinduism and Buddhism. There were no other Christianities that were invited.

After the ceremony the Jews were led into another room and the Pope read a greeting for Passover. Then the presiding bishop asked Rabbi Neusner to step forward.

I attach the picture taken by a rabbi and emailed to me. The pope thanked me for my work, his English is excellent but was an effort, and when I told him he could talk to me in Italian, he had a big smile and looked relieved and relaxed. I proposed to him that we write a book together on the convergences of Judaism and Christianity in antiquity. A cardinal told me they would like to invite me to the Vatican, and I said that would be terrific.

The editor of ‘L’osservatore romano’ the Vatican newspaper introduced himself. I told him his assistant had given me an assignment and I would have it in his hands by the time he got home. That ended the session with the Jewish representatives.

source:

http://tzvee.blogspot.com/2008/04/professor-neusner-meets-pope.html

What a triumph it would be for the rabbis if Benedict accepted Neusner’s offer to co-write a book on “the convergences of Judaism and Christianity in antiquity,” and what a smack in the face of Jesus Christ, the Apostles and saints who gave their lives to prevent such a thing.

More on Benedict XVI and his favorite rabbi, Jacob Neusner here:

The Pope and the Rabbi “Debate” Charade Continues to Play Out

Benedict Met His Favorite Rabbi in Washington D.C.

May 8, 2008

The following is an email reportedly written by Rabbi Nuesner on the topic of his meeting with Benedict XVI on April 17th in Washington D.C. (the anniversary of the Last Supper according to the Hebrew Calendar) which was also reported in L’Osservatore Romano April 30th edition:

Thursday the train was an hour and a half late and we nearly missed the event. But we walked to the hotel where we were to meet for transportation and the US Council of Bishops staff was terrific. We were on the last bus to the ceremony. When we got there, at 4 pm, we were put in a large auditorium. The Muslims were sent off in one direction and the Jews in another for minhah and the Islamic equivalent.

The pope came about an hour and a half later and spoke to the 150 religious leaders who were there and exchanged gifts with representatives of Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Hinduism and Buddhism. There were no other Christianities that were invited.

After the ceremony the Jews were led into another room and the Pope read a greeting for Passover. Then the presiding bishop asked Rabbi Neusner to step forward.

I attach the picture taken by a rabbi and emailed to me. The pope thanked me for my work, his English is excellent but was an effort, and when I told him he could talk to me in Italian, he had a big smile and looked relieved and relaxed. I proposed to him that we write a book together on the convergences of Judaism and Christianity in antiquity. A cardinal told me they would like to invite me to the Vatican, and I said that would be terrific.

The editor of ‘L’osservatore romano’ the Vatican newspaper introduced himself. I told him his assistant had given me an assignment and I would have it in his hands by the time he got home. That ended the session with the Jewish representatives.

source:

http://tzvee.blogspot.com/2008/04/professor-neusner-meets-pope.html

What a triumph it would be for the rabbis if Benedict accepted Neusner’s offer to co-write a book on “the convergences of Judaism and Christianity in antiquity,” and what a smack in the face of Jesus Christ, the Apostles and saints who gave their lives to prevent such a thing.

More on Benedict XVI and his favorite rabbi, Jacob Neusner here:

The Pope and the Rabbi “Debate” Charade Continues to Play Out

Benedict Met His Favorite Rabbi in Washington D.C.

May 8, 2008

The following is an email reportedly written by Rabbi Nuesner on the topic of his meeting with Benedict XVI on April 17th in Washington D.C. (the anniversary of the Last Supper according to the Hebrew Calendar) which was also reported in L’Osservatore Romano April 30th edition:

Thursday the train was an hour and a half late and we nearly missed the event. But we walked to the hotel where we were to meet for transportation and the US Council of Bishops staff was terrific. We were on the last bus to the ceremony. When we got there, at 4 pm, we were put in a large auditorium. The Muslims were sent off in one direction and the Jews in another for minhah and the Islamic equivalent.

The pope came about an hour and a half later and spoke to the 150 religious leaders who were there and exchanged gifts with representatives of Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Hinduism and Buddhism. There were no other Christianities that were invited.

After the ceremony the Jews were led into another room and the Pope read a greeting for Passover. Then the presiding bishop asked Rabbi Neusner to step forward.

I attach the picture taken by a rabbi and emailed to me. The pope thanked me for my work, his English is excellent but was an effort, and when I told him he could talk to me in Italian, he had a big smile and looked relieved and relaxed. I proposed to him that we write a book together on the convergences of Judaism and Christianity in antiquity. A cardinal told me they would like to invite me to the Vatican, and I said that would be terrific.

The editor of ‘L’osservatore romano’ the Vatican newspaper introduced himself. I told him his assistant had given me an assignment and I would have it in his hands by the time he got home. That ended the session with the Jewish representatives.

source:

http://tzvee.blogspot.com/2008/04/professor-neusner-meets-pope.html

What a triumph it would be for the rabbis if Benedict accepted Neusner’s offer to co-write a book on “the convergences of Judaism and Christianity in antiquity,” and what a smack in the face of Jesus Christ, the Apostles and saints who gave their lives to prevent such a thing.

More on Benedict XVI and his favorite rabbi, Jacob Neusner here:

The Pope and the Rabbi “Debate” Charade Continues to Play Out

Benedict Met His Favorite Rabbi in Washington D.C.

May 8, 2008

The following is an email reportedly written by Rabbi Nuesner on the topic of his meeting with Benedict XVI on April 17th in Washington D.C. (the anniversary of the Last Supper according to the Hebrew Calendar) which was also reported in L’Osservatore Romano April 30th edition:

Thursday the train was an hour and a half late and we nearly missed the event. But we walked to the hotel where we were to meet for transportation and the US Council of Bishops staff was terrific. We were on the last bus to the ceremony. When we got there, at 4 pm, we were put in a large auditorium. The Muslims were sent off in one direction and the Jews in another for minhah and the Islamic equivalent.

The pope came about an hour and a half later and spoke to the 150 religious leaders who were there and exchanged gifts with representatives of Judaism, Islam, Jainism, Hinduism and Buddhism. There were no other Christianities that were invited.

After the ceremony the Jews were led into another room and the Pope read a greeting for Passover. Then the presiding bishop asked Rabbi Neusner to step forward.

I attach the picture taken by a rabbi and emailed to me. The pope thanked me for my work, his English is excellent but was an effort, and when I told him he could talk to me in Italian, he had a big smile and looked relieved and relaxed. I proposed to him that we write a book together on the convergences of Judaism and Christianity in antiquity. A cardinal told me they would like to invite me to the Vatican, and I said that would be terrific.

The editor of ‘L’osservatore romano’ the Vatican newspaper introduced himself. I told him his assistant had given me an assignment and I would have it in his hands by the time he got home. That ended the session with the Jewish representatives.

source:

http://tzvee.blogspot.com/2008/04/professor-neusner-meets-pope.html

What a triumph it would be for the rabbis if Benedict accepted Neusner’s offer to co-write a book on “the convergences of Judaism and Christianity in antiquity,” and what a smack in the face of Jesus Christ, the Apostles and saints who gave their lives to prevent such a thing.

More on Benedict XVI and his favorite rabbi, Jacob Neusner here:

The Pope and the Rabbi “Debate” Charade Continues to Play Out

Cardinal William Keeler’s Lying Rabbinic Apologetics

March 16, 2008

Cardinal William Keeler sez:

“… passages in the Talmud … do not now play any significant role in Jewish life or worship …” (“Catholics vs. Jews Restoration of the Latin Mass revives long feud over who’s demeaning whom,” Religion News Service, March 15, 2008)

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2008/mar/15/catholics-vs-jews-restoration-of-the-latin-mass-re/

It looks like someone is attempting to circumvent a debate which cannot be won. I imagine this whopper made Benedict XVI’s favorite rabbi, Jacob Neusner blush. What does Neusner say of the role which Talmud plays today?

“The Bavli [Babylonian Talmud] has formed the definitive statement of Judaism from the time of its closure to the present day.” (Rabbi Jacob Neusner, quoted by Norman F. Cantor, The Sacred Chain: A History of the Jews, page 112)

Benedict XVI calls Rabbi Jacob Neusner a “great Jewish scholar” (cf. Jesus of Nazareth, Benedict XVI, p.71) and dedicated a portion of his book Jesus of Nazareth to a dialogical encounter with the “great” Rabbi Neusner in the spirit of Martin Buber.

also see:

http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/04/pope-engages-rabbis-in-dialectics.html

Cardinal William Keeler’s Lying Rabbinic Apologetics

March 16, 2008

Cardinal William Keeler sez:

“… passages in the Talmud … do not now play any significant role in Jewish life or worship …” (“Catholics vs. Jews Restoration of the Latin Mass revives long feud over who’s demeaning whom,” Religion News Service, March 15, 2008)

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2008/mar/15/catholics-vs-jews-restoration-of-the-latin-mass-re/

It looks like someone is attempting to circumvent a debate which cannot be won. I imagine this whopper made Benedict XVI’s favorite rabbi, Jacob Neusner blush. What does Neusner say of the role which Talmud plays today?

“The Bavli [Babylonian Talmud] has formed the definitive statement of Judaism from the time of its closure to the present day.” (Rabbi Jacob Neusner, quoted by Norman F. Cantor, The Sacred Chain: A History of the Jews, page 112)

Benedict XVI calls Rabbi Jacob Neusner a “great Jewish scholar” (cf. Jesus of Nazareth, Benedict XVI, p.71) and dedicated a portion of his book Jesus of Nazareth to a dialogical encounter with the “great” Rabbi Neusner in the spirit of Martin Buber.

also see:

http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/04/pope-engages-rabbis-in-dialectics.html

More Benedict XVI Syntheses

February 25, 2008

Reuters has published a news article today which illustrates two more syntheses to come from Benedict’s new Latin prayer. The first was already anticipated. Some may recall the statement from Benedict’s neocon cheerleader, Damien Thomson made a few weeks ago:

“In future, no one will be able to invoke an approved Missal to justify anti-Jewish feeling. Some Lefebvrists may throw up their hands in horror, but that helps explain why they are not in full communion with the Holy See.”
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2008/01/purpose-of-damien-thomsons-cheerleading.html

It is clear that an effort is taking place to create a kosher “traditional Catholicism” and that those who refuse this “generous olive branch” are being set up to be tarred and feathered as “Jew Haters;” adherents to “teachings of contempt” based in an ancient “antisemitic polemic.” We can see this in today’s Reuters piece on Benedict’s Latin prayer:

Rebel Catholics say Vatican caved on Latin prayer

Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:43pm IST

By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor

PARIS (Reuters) – Rebel Catholic traditionalists who champion the old Latin mass have accused Pope Benedict of caving in to “foreign pressures” by dropping negative comments about Jews from a rare prayer in the Church’s official language.

The Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), which was expelled from the Church in 1988, denounced the change in a Good Friday prayer that it said was one of the oldest in Christianity, dating back to the third century …

Changing the Good Friday text was necessary after Pope Benedict allowed wider use of the old Latin mass last year. The Good Friday prayer said in local languages was revised in 1970 to drop all references that Jews had found offensive.

Widening the use of the old Latin or Tridentine mass was partly meant to attract followers of the SSPX back to Rome. The SSPX claims about a million followers, a small fraction of the 1.1-billion strong Church.

The leadership of the Swiss-based SSPX is still resolutely opposed to reforms of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), including changes in liturgy and in relations with Jews. The Vatican says they must accept the Council to be readmitted …

Full article:

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-32120720080224?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0

The media’s contempt for the SSPX has always been plain. I suspect that it will now be growing worse. There are two ways to counteract this slander campaign, both of which have not been utilized to my knowledge.

One: Point out the fact that the Good Friday prayer for the Jews is firmly based in Scripture–not only New Testament Scripture, but Old Testament Scripture which St. Paul clearly alludes to. Let them accuse the Old Testament of being “antisemitic.” This would exonerate the liturgy and simultaneously expose these phony “people of the book” for the fraud that they are.

Two: Point out the true teaching of contempt within Orthodox Judaism. Why allow these hypocrites to attack the truth from their glass house?

If there is something unCatholic or imprudent about either of these strategies, I wish someone would explain it to me.

The second of the syntheses in the Reuters article is that Benedict’s favorite rabbi of the Talmud, Jacob Neusner enters the stage which has already been prepared for him by the maniacs of the ADL and Rabbinical Assembly of Conservative Judaism:

But the Pope received support from a prominent Jewish scholar on Saturday. Rabbi Jacob Neusner of New York wrote in the German Catholic daily Die Tagespost: “Israel prays for non-Jews, so the other monotheists — including the Catholic Church — should have the same right without anyone feeling hurt.”

My, how reasonable Rabbi Neusner appears compared to his fellow rabbis. “Israel prays for non-Jews,” he says. He fails to mention that they pray for the destruction of non-Jews, Christians in particular. But with the help of the philo-Judaic press and some wacko rabbis and ADL types this upholder of the hateful, racist, anti-Christian racket of Judaism becomes a level-headed voice of reason; a friend to embattled traditionalist Catholics. I suspect that his words will be quoted approvingly by many “trads” as is always the case.

More on the “reasonable” rabbi, Jacob Neusner here:

http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/06/pope-and-rabbi-debate-charade-continues.html

More Benedict XVI Syntheses

February 25, 2008

Reuters has published a news article today which illustrates two more syntheses to come from Benedict’s new Latin prayer. The first was already anticipated. Some may recall the statement from Benedict’s neocon cheerleader, Damien Thomson made a few weeks ago:

“In future, no one will be able to invoke an approved Missal to justify anti-Jewish feeling. Some Lefebvrists may throw up their hands in horror, but that helps explain why they are not in full communion with the Holy See.”
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2008/01/purpose-of-damien-thomsons-cheerleading.html

It is clear that an effort is taking place to create a kosher “traditional Catholicism” and that those who refuse this “generous olive branch” are being set up to be tarred and feathered as “Jew Haters;” adherents to “teachings of contempt” based in an ancient “antisemitic polemic.” We can see this in today’s Reuters piece on Benedict’s Latin prayer:

Rebel Catholics say Vatican caved on Latin prayer

Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:43pm IST

By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor

PARIS (Reuters) – Rebel Catholic traditionalists who champion the old Latin mass have accused Pope Benedict of caving in to “foreign pressures” by dropping negative comments about Jews from a rare prayer in the Church’s official language.

The Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), which was expelled from the Church in 1988, denounced the change in a Good Friday prayer that it said was one of the oldest in Christianity, dating back to the third century …

Changing the Good Friday text was necessary after Pope Benedict allowed wider use of the old Latin mass last year. The Good Friday prayer said in local languages was revised in 1970 to drop all references that Jews had found offensive.

Widening the use of the old Latin or Tridentine mass was partly meant to attract followers of the SSPX back to Rome. The SSPX claims about a million followers, a small fraction of the 1.1-billion strong Church.

The leadership of the Swiss-based SSPX is still resolutely opposed to reforms of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), including changes in liturgy and in relations with Jews. The Vatican says they must accept the Council to be readmitted …

Full article:

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-32120720080224?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0

The media’s contempt for the SSPX has always been plain. I suspect that it will now be growing worse. There are two ways to counteract this slander campaign, both of which have not been utilized to my knowledge.

One: Point out the fact that the Good Friday prayer for the Jews is firmly based in Scripture–not only New Testament Scripture, but Old Testament Scripture which St. Paul clearly alludes to. Let them accuse the Old Testament of being “antisemitic.” This would exonerate the liturgy and simultaneously expose these phony “people of the book” for the fraud that they are.

Two: Point out the true teaching of contempt within Orthodox Judaism. Why allow these hypocrites to attack the truth from their glass house?

If there is something unCatholic or imprudent about either of these strategies, I wish someone would explain it to me.

The second of the syntheses in the Reuters article is that Benedict’s favorite rabbi of the Talmud, Jacob Neusner enters the stage which has already been prepared for him by the maniacs of the ADL and Rabbinical Assembly of Conservative Judaism:

But the Pope received support from a prominent Jewish scholar on Saturday. Rabbi Jacob Neusner of New York wrote in the German Catholic daily Die Tagespost: “Israel prays for non-Jews, so the other monotheists — including the Catholic Church — should have the same right without anyone feeling hurt.”

My, how reasonable Rabbi Neusner appears compared to his fellow rabbis. “Israel prays for non-Jews,” he says. He fails to mention that they pray for the destruction of non-Jews, Christians in particular. But with the help of the philo-Judaic press and some wacko rabbis and ADL types this upholder of the hateful, racist, anti-Christian racket of Judaism becomes a level-headed voice of reason; a friend to embattled traditionalist Catholics. I suspect that his words will be quoted approvingly by many “trads” as is always the case.

More on the “reasonable” rabbi, Jacob Neusner here:

http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/06/pope-and-rabbi-debate-charade-continues.html