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Schönborn: Vatican to Level Core Principles of Dialogue and "Reintegration" with SSPX

September 13, 2009

What a mockery. The Catholic-Jewish relations racket is rigidly anchored in bedrock while the Gospel and perennial Catholic teachings shift in the sands.

Vatican commission to draw red lines for ultra-traditionalists

Sat, 12 Sep 2009

Earth Times

Vienna – The Vatican is set to tell a rebel ultra- traditional Catholic group that the Church’s core values and its relations with Judaism are not negotiable, Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn said in an interview published on Saturday. Earlier this year, the Catholic leadership in Rome drew criticism from within and outside the Church for lifting excommunication orders against bishops of the controversial Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), including British-born Richard Williamson who has denied the scale of the Nazi mass murder of Jews.

In the coming days, a recently restructured church commission would meet the renegades, the cardinal and Vienna archbishop told the Passauer Neue Presse.

Rome would not give the group a “free pass,” and Pope Benedict XVI was striving to “get a group of Catholics which has parted from the Church back into the boat,” said Schoenborn, who is a member of several Vatican bodies.

The non-negotiable positions to be set out to the Pius Society include the Church’s positions towards the Jewish faith, other non- Christian religions as well as Christian faiths, and towards religious freedom as a fundamental human right, according to Schoenborn.

In June, the pope placed the commission under the authority of the Holy See’s main disciplinary watchdog body, after it had drawn criticism for its handling of the SSPX.

SSPX members are currently barred from official roles within the church unless they agree to fully abide with its teachings.

Such teachings include the so-called Second Vatican Council reforms of the 1960s, which sought to modernize the Church.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/285322,vatican-commission-to-draw-red-lines-for-ultra-traditionalists.html

also see:

Schönborn Upstages Falwell

Benedict XVI: Dialogue With the People of the Talmud a “Sacred Duty”

Compare Schönborn’s worship with the worship of the SSPX:

Cardinal Schönborn Mocks Mass

On The Contrary: What worship was like before the come-as-you-are-hootenanies of today

Thanks to an anonymous commenter at “Rorate Caeli” for the Schönborn video.

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Part 2 of Bishop Fellay Interview (updated)

June 10, 2009

Video at this link:

http://gloria.tv/?media=27739

Note that in the interview, which took place April 5, 2009, Bishop Fellay says he believes that first contact with Rome regarding doctrinal discussions could take place as early as June 2009. Coincidentally, Bishop Fellay was reported to have visited the CDF last week (en Español, in English).

On April 18, 2009, it was revealed on Bishop Williamson’s Dinoscopus blog that Bishop Tissier de Mallerais had stated that it had been decided that the form of the discussions would be in writing and that they would not be made public.

Eleison Comments XCIII: Difficult Discussions

UPDATE:

Rorate Caeli reported:

Roadmap for Holy See – SSPX doctrinal talks established

According to French Rome-based religious news agency I.Media, as reported by Italian news agency ASCA (translation by Father Zuhlsdorf):

This morning the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith discussed how to begin the doctrinal dialogue with the Lefebvrite Preiestly Fraternity of St. Pius X, for whom four bishops – among whom is the negationist [Bp.] Richard Williamson – Pope Benedict XVI in February revoked an excommunication.

According to the French agency I.Media, the cardinals of the ex-Holy Office – to whom Pope Ratzinger entrusted the dialogue wiht the Lefebvrites in view of their eventual reinstatement, in the future, in the structure of the Church – discussed a text “drawn up to clarify the parameter of the doctrinal dialogue with the Fraternity”. This dialogue should start with the necessity “of accepting the Second Vatican Council and the Magisterium of the Pope” subsequent to the Council.

According to I.Media, the Superior of the Lefebvrites, [Bp.] Bernard Fellay, was received at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on 5 June last and, even if there hasn’t been identified the “team” which on the two sides will effectively conduct the dialogue, it is probable that there will take part the Swiss Domincan Fr. Charles Morerod, the new Secretary for the International Theological Commission and, on the part of the Lefebvrites, Fr. [l’abbate] Gregoire Celier, co-author of a recent book on Benedict XVI.

Meanwhile, as the “doctrinal” dialogue with the Vatican moves along its first steps, the Lefebvrites have decided to challenge again the authority of the of the Pope, announcin the ordination of at least 21 new priests in three parts of the world.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/06/rules-for-holy-see-sspx-doctrinal-talks.html

Part 2 of Bishop Fellay Interview (updated)

June 10, 2009

Video at this link:

http://gloria.tv/?media=27739

Note that in the interview, which took place April 5, 2009, Bishop Fellay says he believes that first contact with Rome regarding doctrinal discussions could take place as early as June 2009. Coincidentally, Bishop Fellay was reported to have visited the CDF last week (en Español, in English).

On April 18, 2009, it was revealed on Bishop Williamson’s Dinoscopus blog that Bishop Tissier de Mallerais had stated that it had been decided that the form of the discussions would be in writing and that they would not be made public.

Eleison Comments XCIII: Difficult Discussions

UPDATE:

Rorate Caeli reported:

Roadmap for Holy See – SSPX doctrinal talks established

According to French Rome-based religious news agency I.Media, as reported by Italian news agency ASCA (translation by Father Zuhlsdorf):

This morning the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith discussed how to begin the doctrinal dialogue with the Lefebvrite Preiestly Fraternity of St. Pius X, for whom four bishops – among whom is the negationist [Bp.] Richard Williamson – Pope Benedict XVI in February revoked an excommunication.

According to the French agency I.Media, the cardinals of the ex-Holy Office – to whom Pope Ratzinger entrusted the dialogue wiht the Lefebvrites in view of their eventual reinstatement, in the future, in the structure of the Church – discussed a text “drawn up to clarify the parameter of the doctrinal dialogue with the Fraternity”. This dialogue should start with the necessity “of accepting the Second Vatican Council and the Magisterium of the Pope” subsequent to the Council.

According to I.Media, the Superior of the Lefebvrites, [Bp.] Bernard Fellay, was received at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on 5 June last and, even if there hasn’t been identified the “team” which on the two sides will effectively conduct the dialogue, it is probable that there will take part the Swiss Domincan Fr. Charles Morerod, the new Secretary for the International Theological Commission and, on the part of the Lefebvrites, Fr. [l’abbate] Gregoire Celier, co-author of a recent book on Benedict XVI.

Meanwhile, as the “doctrinal” dialogue with the Vatican moves along its first steps, the Lefebvrites have decided to challenge again the authority of the of the Pope, announcin the ordination of at least 21 new priests in three parts of the world.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/06/rules-for-holy-see-sspx-doctrinal-talks.html